you can't drop fat with aas. period. it builds muscles.

why isn't your gf on here herself?

is this her first cycle? if so, i highly suggest against it.

tell her to join and get her to post how long has she been training and what her diet is like.

stats?

my gf is out of town until march 15 but i told her about the sight and she does want to take a look. the reason I posted the thread on the womens forum is because she and I want the advice of a woman for her. she has a very clean diet. 1gram of protein per pound of body weight. I don't know how many grams of carbs she gets but it's low. the only carbs she gets is from oatmeal in the morning mixed vegetables at lunch and a daily serving of glutamine post workout. She is 5'9" and about 135 pounds. I don't know her body fat percentage. it's not low but not high. mind you I didn't bring this up to her she brought it up to me. about the winny making a person lose fat. I know that is not possible but in my experience my body fat did seem to drop and my muscle quality seemed harder. this was at 350 mg a week. I don't know this is why I'm asking. I appreciate you responding to the last post. trust me, we are not jumping into any thing with out getting opinions and facts. i know this is a very cautious thing. and so does she. we are just researching for the time being

i appreciate your response, and this is an aside... but you have to consider that what works for you will not necessarily work for her. female and male body chemistry is not at all similar when it comes to anything, and ESPECIALLY aas.

i would recommend you find some anavar to bulk with because there is no telling how her body will respond to winny - there are a lot of women who get NOTHING at all from it but bloating, acne, and a cracking voice... so it's a gamble. anavar is milder and a better indicator of how she might react to a stronger aas, if she chooses to use any in the future.

and with anavar she'd be nice and hard/vascular.

My wife is on winny now because she wanted to gain weight. She competes and has done other cycles before. SHe is experiencing sides very common to women and winny---bloating, and joint pain. She is getting fuller and stronger and adding weight. Winny usually makes girls HOLD water whereas in men its used as a cutter. I stress "usually" because for others it can be different. If she feels she has truly reached her full potential and/or planning on a comp, then I second the notion of var as a first cycle. If she insists on winny, start low, about 5mg a day (if oral) and maybe go up to 10. Over 15mg is risky for a first cycle and keep it no more that 6 weeks due to liver tox.
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thanx alot guys I think "we" will go with the var in this case if she decides on this. this is her decision and her decision only.if we do go the route mentioned, about how many mg's a day or eod? again thanx