moved to the appropraite forum.....

Ok my friend, take this with the best intentions -

I have some issues with your cycle. I do not like your strategy of taking the dbol before the test(sustanon), because the d-bol will shut down your test production and you are not compensating with the test. Plus you will be making a gap in the middle of your cycle since the orals work instantly and the shots need some time to kick in (with the exception of the prop ester of sust). Plus I don't like you pyramiding up OR down, keep the concentration constant at 500mg. Plus I don't like you combining 2 steroids at once with your first cycle for various reasons, better to have started with test only. Plus I don't like you recommencing the d-bol in the end. I don't like your cycle length, basically you're using test for 7 weeks only, which is even tapered at both ends. And I don't like tribulus, do a proper PCT instead.

Yes, Genox is tamoxifen (nolva). If you start getting symptoms of gyno, you can start taking 10 or 20 mg/day which would be sufficient. I prefer you use the nolva for your PCT instead of tribulus, wait 3 weeks after your last shot, and take 40mg/day/week; 40mg/day/week; 20mg/day/week; 20mg/day/week.

It is not my first cycle. I have had deca beore. but not to much. only for a 5 weeks..

I have 18mls of Sus250 all up. And I didnt plan to have the dbol then sus i was going to just have dbol but i looked around and thought dbol was not good enough by myself.

should I just have the sus250 until the end. (10weeks worth) And then have dbol when i finish that? Or just scrap the dbol?

Are the signs of gyno very obvious? I think im just being paranoide.

And if i take novlex at the end it wont kick back my test production...

I'm sorry, those were confusing signals. So it's your second cycle, good, we got that cleared up. But the advice still stands, you are taking 2 new steroids, making it hard to determine which one is responsible for gyno and/or gains.

Deca should be run longer than that. Also, deca-only cycles are bad. But back to your original question...


I agree, dbol only is not a good cyle, and you probably did the right thing adding test. However you should have thought things through earlier. Please don't cycle and/or modify cycles based on suddenly available gear.


Yes, continue the sust until the end. Again, keep the dosage constant at 500mg, and I would scrap the d-bol.

You know, I always worried about that myself, getting minor gyno building up without noticing it. But it never did. Check for lumps forming, and for itchy nipples.


Please do some research. nolva is the standard drug to kick back test production. I'll help:

Fertil Steril. 1978 Mar;29(3):320-7.
Hormonal effects of an antiestrogen, tamoxifen, in normal and oligospermic men.

Vermeulen A,
Comhaire F.
The administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). However, whereas Clomid produced a decrease in the LH response to LH-releasing hormone (LHRH), no such effect was seen after the administration of tamoxifen. In fact, prolonged treatment (6 weeks) with tamoxifen significantly increased the LH response to LHRL. Treatment of patients with "idiopathic" oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels. A significant increase in sperm density was observed only in subjects with oligospermia below 20 X 10(6)/ml and normal basal FSH levels. When basal FSH levels were increased or oligospermia was moderate (greater than 20 X 10(6)/ml); no effect on sperm density was seen. As sperm density increased, FSH levels decreased, suggesting an inhibin effect. Sperm motility was not improved by tamoxifen treatment. In five boys with delayed puberty, tamoxifen treatment appeared to activate the pituitary-gonadal axis and pubertal development.
PMID: 640052 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

thanks alot. ill take that all onboard and scrap the Dbol.

I said this was my first course because I feel its the first real course ive done. I did the deca almost 2 years ago now and i only had a few shots because i was scared about it, done no research and just copying a friend.

I will look into this Genox. Thanks alot.