I think will make a great thread. You hear of people all the time doing low doses and making quality gains.

Hell, I remember back when I was in college, the most anyone did was get a 10ml bottle of Cyp and do 1 shot every week. That's only 200mg per week.

I believe in low doses of test as well. I went up to 800mg/week this time, but I am trying new compounds and I am keeping cals lower than normal so I wanted to have a good base during the constant changes.

I think people underestimate the effect of 500mg/week of test. I would think that if you used that amount until you notice slight or no gains during a cycle, then you should increase. But we all know how some get with the high doses early on. For example, I think when they hear a vet of say 20years of AAS use under his belt, and he says 1 gram of test is great for huge gains, most young users wil look at that and say "shit, if my first cycle of 500 a week gave me 20lbs, then 1000mg for my second cycle will give me 40lbs!!". Even though mostly all of those vets using that much will tell them that is not true.

Good thread topic fantom1

Very interesting and thought provoking !!

Before anyone jumps all over this with the good old "you almost produce that much testosterone naturally"....let me clarify something.

The average male produce ~ 75 mg/week naturally, so even after you factor in the ester weight of a 300mg/week dose, you are still injecting 3X what you produce naturally.

Great post bro........it will be very interesting to see where this goes.

Thanks guys... I have really been thinking about this..... and I have just about always said run 500mg a week for a first cycle in the past...but I am getting older and wiser now.....LOL... Hopefully a newbie will give it a shot (rimshot) and post the results. I just think it would be hard though for a newbie to stick with 300...as the old "If 300 makes me feel this good...then 500 is better" problem...

Newbies!!!! I am officially recommending 300mg a week of test for a first cycle... those who may try it...post your results....

I would also like to hear from others who disagree....

i couldnt agree more RJ..most start with 500 then go to 750 then most likely 1g or theyve added in other gear that totals 1g+..meanwhile they should still be growing on 500mg now after 3 cycles they have no where to go but up or throw more fuel into the fire..

good idea as well fantom

I agree 100% test newbies often don't know a whole lot abot what to take and how much which usually leads to shitty PCT. I know when I first started I started w/ 500mg test only and when I was in the middle of my cycle and really seeing gains I started getting into seeing what else was out there for my next cycle passing up on the PCT shit and looking for what can make me bigger. And after my cycle I kind of crashed but you figure with 300mg that won't be as severe and I hope newbies can learn from my mistake and you hit the nail on the head.