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Muscle loss with DNP use is very real!

I get sick and tired of hearing people explain away all the DNP related problems as though they were fiction. Here are 2 posts from masswithclass and his client JuicedBull. These 2 guys are the real deal and serious trainers, not 2 goofy young retards. Masswithclass* is a national level competitor and juiced is a big boy.

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I was wondering a while ago about all the DNP results. I was wondering why DNP doesn't go after muscle tissue for energy as well as fat. I recently had a client run DNP after 2 14days runs with DNP we found that his musclemass was being eatin up. I tested him with a bioimpedence bodycomposition tester so i had his before and after results. It gives readouts of lean tissue, fat weight and bodyfat%. After 2 runs on DNP he was only down 1 pound of fat but dropped 9 pounds of muscle tissue. Not trying to bring anyone down, but we have accurate body composition tests to prove this. For the record he got way better results from Tren E.

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Originally Posted by JuicedBull

Hey guys! I'm the DNP junkie that's missin' his muscle

I guess you learn some lessons the hard way! Back to Tren and some kick-ass dieting/cardio for this kid!

*Masswithclass passed away last summer from congestive heart failure brought on by prolonged steroid use.

Cataract formation is very real!

Buff87 is a big guy and an experienced trainer. His pic is in his avatar on many boards and he mods at several...

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I just wanted to comment on this part...

I have ran maybe 3-4 DNP cycles... First one low dose the others
much higher doses and have always had 20/20 vision my whole life...
In the last year my eye sight has suffered... I no longer have 20/20
vision and have a hard time focusing on things more then 20' away...
I have talked to one other well known Mod that has run alot more
cycles and is 10 years younger then myself that has experienced the
same problems with his eye sight... We have talked about it in private..
I guess no one likes to admit to suffering any side effects and I have
not brought it up until now myself... Who wants to admit they used
something that did some kind of damage to them?

This is the only side effect that I can see can happen quite easily and one
that seems not to reverse itself either... ...but this side effect is very common and not talked about enuf....

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Originally Posted by buff87

if anyone views my post about Clen/T3 cutting cycle and the results I had they are just as good as any DNP cycle and far less dangerous and I did not bullshit the results one bit... Just a little FYI for everyone...

Here is a quote from moderator 3Vandoo @ Fitnessgeared...

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Originally Posted by 3Vandoo

Cataracts formation on a 25yo male is not normal, and I DID USED ALL THE "ANCILLARIES" POSSSIBLE IN THE BOOK, TO 3 TIMES THE RECOMMENDED AMOUNTS! Is there long term analysis of dnp on human? NO' only short term, we dont know what will happen to a guy that used dnp let says at 29, but what would be the results when it will be 71??? we simply dont know.

And I did said, it give permanent damages, and I use that statement and back it up because it was made by the scientific, lab rat, that I trust the most, MYSELF.

DNP makes you lose fat, yes!

but let go:

how do you feel

- tired
- sweaty
- lose all strength
- makes you look like shit
- you cum fluo
- you piss fluo
- you smell chloride
- your brain is not there
- slows you down to a point.
- and you lose "1lb of fat a day" in theory.

I did many dnp cycles and it is not worth it.... not at all. WHY? there is a nice rebound effects everytime you use it.
ALWAY!

the only nice effects I found with it, it was possible to cheat while doing ckd
pop up a cap on day first and you in keto very soon. Same when I had to cheat due to my "socializing" pop a dnp and I was still in keto.

There is no good, in using the "Death is not a problem". Some even said that using dnp after a cycle with Clomid had a anabolic effects.. MY ASS, I lost my strength gain.

Oh yeah 17lbs of fat in 14 days was great, but 15 came back right away.
The fat I lost on ckd never came back since 12 months now.

dnp = crap

322 an experienced DNP user!

DEATH is a very real possibility with dnp!

There have been at least 3 proven dnp deaths in the last 3 years, and 2 of these guys were huge experienced bodybuilders who thought they knew all the risks and took all the supps and precautions, and surely never figured they would lose their lives for the sake of speedy fat loss.

From a thread at bb.com summer 2002 after the death of YoungNHugeGunz (Eric Perrin)

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A member over at the Elite Boards has passed away and Business Week wants to run a story on his death focussing on the sale of drugs on the internet. The FDA has gotten involved and is centering its investigation around the guys DNP use.

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Originally Posted by K (same)

Stupid people not fit for survival. DNP can literally "cook" you inside out. Must be a pretty "well done" corpse

I have no sympathy for morons like that. Warning about DNP is everywhere.

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Originally Posted by WHOSYOURDADDY02

While somewhat harsh in a sense... I think that is well said...

It is clear that this person under estimated the power of DNP ...

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Originally Posted by 2demon2

BTW, he had a physique that very few people in this world will ever attain.

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Originally Posted by Blacksmith

No one will remember that looking at him lying in his coffin.

SHOT was head steroid moderator at bodybuilding.com and a mod at Anabolex as well. SHOT posted this thread June 2003. The second extremely knowledgeable user to die from DNP in a year.

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Originally Posted by SHOT

Very sad news.....

Many of you remember I used to be a mod at bloodsweatsteel....

If you remember one of the mods there named JOHN_U then you would know that he was one of the smartest bros I have ever met online....and one big guy...we used to trade alot of pics together about 2 years ago....he was the first person to really talk to me about slin...and how I set up my personal cycles....

Most of his post were really hard to understand because he was so tech. with them. He was a college student...studying something in the chem field.....

Well his roomate just posted on BSS that John had died from DNP....I dont know anymore details other then that....this is a real shocker because i know John knew more about DNP then anyone I know....when I say this bro was a guru he really was...

How this happened I dont know....but his roomate found him in his room last week I guess dead...

This is truely said....I am just in so much shock...I cant believe this....he was such a nice guy...never flamed...always would help anyone no matter how big or small the prob was..

He will be truely missed on the boards thats for sure...

So this post is for my brother...JOHN_U...R.I.P brother...we will miss you...

P.S ...how many more bros are going to have to have really bad side effects or death before we stop useing this shit...

The moral of the story... This is not just another drug that can be safely used for physical enhancement. The margin for error between "effective" and "lethal" is too slim!

Yes, Dnp can be dangerous if not used with wisdom and respect. However, thousands of people have used DNP without having dropped over dead or having got cateracts(which is a side occurring more so in women than men).

The risks are there along with any other drug. You just have to research and respect the chemicals you put into your body.

I'll play devil's advocate for the sake of discussion...

The biggest problem I find with your post is that at no point is the dosage listed of what these guys were taking when all these complications/deaths occured. You said they were big time competitors, huge experienced bodybuilders so it would lead one to assume they were abusing DNP, not taking it like most here on the boards do.

Maybe thats a flawed assumption but most with half the credentials those guys supposedly have on the board here run large amounts of anything they're taking, so it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume they're up around 600mg+/ day using DNP which is way to high by anyones standards. Plus the Buff87 dude you quoted even states " have ran maybe 3-4 DNP cycles... First one low dose the others much higher doses"

DNP like all compounds can become dangerous at a certain point. The difference with DNP is that the margin of error is much less than other drugs, which places it in a category for experieced AAS users, not 1st timers or people who are new to the game.

It has been said that this can cause permanent cellular damage, that would worry me more than muscle loss.