And also for those who have run turanabol what dosage did you use for how long and what did u gain? thx

Something that I have written previously about dosing for OT:

Use/Dosing

For the most part, oral turinabol is best used for lean gains in muscle mass as well as maintaining muscle mass while dieting. Users should not expect to experience major gains in muscle mass, but rather improvement in muscle "quality". Due to the nature of the compound as well, strength gains will not be overly dramatic for a user either. However having said this it is a quality compound if used for "cutting" purposes and to add some lean body weight.

Anecdotally users report that doses ranging from 40 to 60 milligrams per day for inexperienced male users should produce good results. Of course like most anabolic steroids the doses used by more experienced users will climb dramatically. Doses in the range of 100 to 150 milligrams per day have been reported by some users, however doses this high are not recommended.

Female users of oral turinabol should do well using doses ranging from 5 to 15 milligrams per day. At these levels very little in the way of virilizing side effects should occur. However if these doses are increased the likelihood of these symptoms will also rise.

Due to the active life of the compound users would only have to take two doses of the drug per day, as evenly spaced as possible to maintain fairly stable blood levels of the compound. These doses should be of the same size if possible to avoid fluctuating levels. Most male users will stack oral turinabol with other compounds for a synergistic effect. Most notably, many will choose to run some type of testosterone with it. Since, like all anabolic steroids, oral turinabol will suppress a user's natural testosterone production there is a chance that some sexual dysfunction and/or reduction in sex drive could occur. However, many users anecdotally report that when they have run oral turinabol only, no reduction of libido was noticed.

As will be discussed below in the Risks/Side Effects section of this profile there are still risks with the use of this compound as it can cause toxicity of the liver like all 17 alpha alkylated compounds. For this reason it is recommended that users do not extend their cycles of the compound too far. However like oxandrolone (anavar) due to it's relatively mild nature compared to the other 17 alpha alkylated oral steroids it can be run longer than most. Despite this it is recommended that a user limit their cycle to about six to eight weeks to limit the stress placed on the liver. However like always many users will run it longer. If this is done for any lengthy period of time a user should have blood work done to ensure that no damage is occuring.

I used t-bol once for 6 weeks to kickstart an EQ cycle, I really liked it, kicked in pretty fast too, a little more potent than anavar imo. Next time Im gonna go 60 mgs. I dont run any orals more than 6 weeks with anvar the exception.

Aboot what do you think about a 6 week var and tbol cycle for a cutting cycle. I've only used var before (on it now). I was thinking of 6 weeks of 50mg of both and eating high levels of protein and low to moderate complex carbs. My reasoning is I might gain a few lbs of lean body mass from the tbol while also the strength and vascularity of the var and dropping a few % bodyfat. Just not sure how the var and tbol will effect my ability to do long periods of cardio and whether the pumps will be debilitating or not.

in the read it says you take twice a day is this really necessary or is once fine
and as for dosage what would happen if it were higher and run longer